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Back Patch, colors, Freedom, Individual Responsibility, Individual Rights, Mongols MC, SAVE THE PATCH
Do you wear a vest with a back patch that signifies you are a member of a group or club? This type of vest is sometimes called “Colors”, or “Cut”, but whatever you call it, it is used to show that you are a member in good standing of that group. Lots of organizations, besides motorcycle clubs, also wear unique identifying logos, either on their back or sleeve. Some examples are; U.S. Military, American Legion Riders, Police Officers, Paramedics, Boy Scouts, Harley Owners Group, Veterans Groups and I’m sure many more.
So, what would you think if the government told you that you couldn’t wear your patch any more because they had legally taken away your copyright to your unique patch design because of the actions of one or two of your groups members. This is exactly what is being argued in court right now over the back patch design of the Mongols Motorcycle Club. Now, you might be tempted to respond that some of the Mongols MC are bad guys. Well, whether that is true or not, the actions of one or a few members should not mean that the whole group is destroyed by taking away their unique back patch design.
I know that you might not fully agree with me, but you need to understand that this isn’t just about back patches. Consider a hypothetical case where a member of any prominent church denomination robs a bank. Does that mean that the whole denomination should be destroyed by taking away their logo? After all, if one is guilty, then all must be guilty right? I hope you are beginning to see that making a group responsible for an individual’s actions is a bad thing. It is a very bad thing. We are a country that once believed in individual responsibility. I hope that you can see that this case is not just important to all motorcycle club members, but also, to all people that are part of a group of almost any kind. If a member of a group can cause the whole group to he held responsible for his or her actions, we are well down the slippery slope of eliminating freedom and individual responsibility from our once great nation.Here are a couple of quotes, and information about how you can help;
“They are trying to destroy the right of men to associate and indicate their association” said Joe Yanny, an attorney representing the Mongols. In addition to being a violation of club members’ freedom of speech rights, Yanny said, “more importantly, it’s a due process issue.”
Educate yourself on this case by going to: http://usdefender.net/cta-tdf.html and go “LIKE” the National US Defenders Facebook page for future updates. You can also contact the lawyers at; http://www.onabike.com
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Consider a hypothetical situation where the banner of your ancestors was co-opted by a hate group and then a large portion of society was brought to believe that banner represented ONLY racism and hatred.
Consider then when laws and policies are incrementally introduced to vilify and marginalize that banner and, consequently, the people who fought for it.
Imagine such a world.
Tell that lady to put down the flag of the empire and take up one in which the rule of law still holds some sway.
The Mongols are no church group or Harley Owners group. They are a criminal organization that deals in illegal drug, theft, extortion, and God knows what else. they are not a “club”, they are a gang. You are intentionally miss leading people when you say that a few of their members may have commited a crime. This gang is an example of organized crime.
Ramin, What you say about the Mongols may or may not be true. You appear to be a member of Blue Knights and I suppose a police officer, so, I am not surprised at your attitude, you see the worst of the worst. The problem for me, and the one I am addressing, is that the government is trying to use the legal system to increase the scope of their power to be able to take away the Mongols MC Logo as part of their attempt to destroy Mongols MC. I disagree with the government stance on this because once a legal precedence is set, then we are on our way down that slipper slope where the legal system can be used against any group, based on the actions of a few members. So, I am not miss-leading anyone, I am advocating for individual responsibility, and for using our legal system in the correct way, as should we all.
Interesting… A Blue Knight member making such a comment… So…let me get this straight…Let’s just say if a Blue Knight member does something such as the Mongols MC member did or didn’t do… We would allow our government to go ahead and remove ALL of their club patches in there entirety? And… I also recall a few years back a member from a so-called outlaw gang club stopping on his motorcycle to help out a Blue Knight who was broke down on the side of the rode to get his bike up and running again. So I really don’t think you should be judging everyone by the color of their skin … or the colors of their patch.
Blue Knights, the biggest lie on 2 legs. That said, there are no Cops or Police anymore, just Gestapo Agents, Alphabetical Members Of Organized Crime and they ARE the threat to the Republic. The stupid sheep who blindly support these lawless thugs and criminals, who are the TRUE gang members think they are they to help and protect them, yea, call 911 and watch someone or an innocent dog get shot, killed, beat up, brutalized or otherwise thugged. The Feds, State, County and Local Gestapo have got to be regined in and disolved. The militarization of policing makes citizens the enemy in a domestic war. It’s time there wasn’t any S.W.A.T gangs and Police HAD, by Law, to serve and protect. The Gestapo gotta GO !!!!!!!!!!
Hey philisafreeman, I hear your frustration, but we need to keep this discussion civil, so lets tone down the retoric a notch or two.
WELL SAID AND SPOT ON
Well said
Ramin: It’s not about the Mongols, and whether they are or are not a criminal organization. FYI: No judge has ever declared any motorcycle club to be a “gang” – that is a word the LEO community uses to garner emotional support and $$ for overtime, equipment, etc., to harass and discriminate against bikers.
As to the Save the Patch – that has to do with a serious government overreach – and if they are able to win and take the trademarked logo of the Mongols, who’ll be next? ANY organization who has a member who has been convicted of a crime would then be in the cross hairs to lose their trademarked logo.. The Mongols just happened to be their starting point – and don’t think that they’ll stop there. Veterans organizations, Boy Scouts, Gay Rights – any organization they don’t like or who espouses some belief that is against theirs will be subject to their attack on their trademark.
You’re an *bleep* (Sorry no name calling allowed)
dude…you are an *bleep*
these are clubs…you don’t know what you are talking about
What you have to understand is that if they take the rights for this club to wear their patch it’s just the first step. They will then start taking the right form any patch holder of any club, I’m not a fan of the Mongols, however the freedom for them to wear the patch must be maintained other wise it will trickel down to other clubs, ones who don’t do wrong.
Ramin, are you talking about politicians or Mongols MC?
Get a life, I’m not even a Mongols supporter, but if you think that way, all cops are murderers, and they are DEFINITELY a criminal organization!!! I’d much rather have the criminal underworld policed by people who aren’t low IQ government puppets who shoot first, make up crime later!! *bleep*!! So go *bleep* yourself you small minded retard, try to see the big picture instead of being a part of the problem!
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Awesome Point Tonya Hardman!!!
63sunshine were was skin color mentioned, I missed that….
drmrgrl, Ya, I don’t see that either. I think he was just saying you shouldn’t judge people by the color or anything, which I think means don’t judge by appearance.
Simply put, you are wrong. Not all Mongols, not all Bandidos, not all Outlaws, not all HA or any other club are criminals. In fact, most members of each do not have criminal records. I know several who actually have security clearance and work on military posts as civilian employees… kinda hard to get if you’re a criminal. Fact, per capita, there are more cops arrested/charged with crimes than any motorcycle CLUB! Stop buying into the propaganda, Gangland episodes ect ect…
So…how long were you a member??? I ASSume you are a former member in BAD standing with the CLUB or you’re just a *BLEEP*.
Ramin,
It is obvious, by your comments, that you have never been in, or even associated with, a 1% club. I am a 1%er, and have yet to see ANYONE commit a serious crime. I have never once been asked to commit a crime, or been told it would be an obligation to. What you have is a stereotypical mentality. One that lacks knowledge, insight, or even intelligence. Now, you can sit there and call it lies all you want, but it is the absolute truth. You don’t know, because you aren’t there. The actions of a few do not find guilt in the many. I am innocent of crime, only have a disorderly conduct on my record, and should not be found guilty of simply hanging out with my brothers and have that turned into a RICO act.
Seems to me, that cops are being brought out into the light more than the bikers are. You see, there is a difference in respect between bikers and cops. With bikers, the respect is given and received. With cops, it is demanded or you go to jail. We don’t have to like you. You don’t have to like us. The difference is, we don’t use the law to make it happen. You don’t seem to live in the real world. You don’t follow the same rules as the rest of us.
Where does the stupidity end. Regardless of the reputation they Might have , do we hold all responsible for a fews actions ? We have good & bad in all walks of life, doesn’t matter if it’s club or cops or whatever, that’s just life . What I think is so sad is the fact that the government can just decide to stop stuff that they see fit to. Stopping Prayer in school one day , stopping prayer in public another, flags that offend people get taken down , patches taken away …. What other right will get taken away next, our guns ( our form of protection) . And for the people that totally agree with these changes , JUST WAIT, wait till it affects YOUR life . What next , kids not being able to join little league because the government decides it’s an organized sport therefore they consider them gangs , and don’t laugh and say that won’t happen ( it could one day). What happened to WE THE PEOPLE. Personally I feel like there’s way to many people gettin offended now adays . And the government needs to pay more attention to the SERIOUS issues out there . Do they REALLY think pullin a patch is gonna stop a club from existing…. Geez
And you sir, are full of s#&t
You’re right they are an MC an ORGANIZATION but…. if they make a ban on cuts being worn guess who else can’t wear their cuts? Church riders, race group mcs, or some random brotherhood mc… so yeah it’s extremely cut and fucking dry by the law to say “hey we’re gonna make wearing a cut/color/best with any patch association with any MC ILLEGAL so yeah educate yourself on what’s going on before making a dumb ass comment about what MC is illegal or criminal cause they aren’t just fighting for their right to wear their cuts they’re fighting to make sure whi ever else from any good organization can too!
HOW THE **** DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THERE A GANG ARE YOU A MEMBER NOPE YOUR NOT YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE **** YOUR TALKING ABOUT MONGALS MC NATION AINT BAD LIKE YOUR SAYING SOME PEOPLE DID SOME DUMB **** GOT ARRESTED DONT MAKE ALL OF THEM CRIMINALS SO **** YOU MY CLUBS JUST AS BIG AS MONGALS YOU GOING TO CALL US CRIMINALS TO **** OFF FR
Don’t these clubs (read: GANGS) have lengthy vetting processes for approving new members? Don’t these clubs claim to stand as one under their colors? Aren’t there lengthy probationary periods for prospects? So yeah… Even if just ONE member commits an offense under the gangs colors, then he is representing his brethren. That should give them cause to more effectively screen and vet their members. This is what it means to join a club/group/gang and invite others to join as well.
SO EVERY COP ON THE STREETS IS A CROOKED COP THEN…
DO US A FAVOR AND TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR [bleep]…
Hey Joe, I certainly don’t believe the world is filled with crooked cops. I guess I’m not following you 😦
Tomzimmer Joe is saying if one or two cops are bad they should judge all of them like they are trying to do to bikers its that clear.
Yes Joe, there are NO good Cops, the reason I say this, The Blue Wall Before All. Not one good blue gang member out there. They have become the Gestapo and the Republic is in danger because of them.
the world is filled with crooked cops,more the majority,than the minority,in indianawe hold are police to lower standards & get away with shit,civilians don’t.the honest cpos should do something but wont cross the blue either,it’s sicking.in franklin Indiana,they were intraping a lot of people,we did have a drug problem until the few lasy cops started it.
Based on the actions of a few members? Are you kidding me?
I wish I was kidding, but no, this is real.
The politicians are going to make what laws they want, and they will have the cops inforce them, whether the public feels this is right or wrong. Its all about the money. How much money they can grab, the politicians get kick backs from everything they support. Why else? The politicians dont even follow the rules they set for the public, they have thier own health care system, thier own retirement program, ( paid by you, the taxpayer). so why do you think there intersted in a bunch of bikers, there not. but there is money to be gained. Not one single politician is involved in a motorcycle club, so why care. Its not a problem for them. The politicians care for thier own, look at chealsea clinton, daughter of x pres. bill clinton, she was hired by NBC as a reporter, at $600,000. per year, with NO previous experience. This is only my two cents worth, but im not alone in seeing this problem. over taxed, taxpayer.
CoC’s do the exact same thing…they dictate who can and can’t wear a cut. I am a Nomad Patchholder of a SoCal club and recognized by the California CoC, however…after I retired and moved back to my home state, the State CoC wouldn’t give me the time of day and denied me the ability to wear my cut that I earned through prospecting with my club. While I empathize with their situation, I don’t sympathize with them.
While I sympathize with your situation, my point is that this case will effect all clubs and all patches. If this case goes through, it could effect all your brothers back in SoCal that still wear a patch.
To: just another rider, Since you say you were a nomad, you should know better. Lets say you were a member of the Mongol’s, and you moved back to wisconsin, which is a outlaw state and there are no mongols there. do you get my point yet. Thier not allowed to start a chapter there. Or, are you a member of a cop club, and they dont know the meaning of ” nomad “
Just another rider: You’re either retired, or you’re not. If you’re truly retired, hang your patch up and keep it to be buried in. It may be your wanting to wear your cut looks like, to the clubs in your home state that you’re not retired, and they’re not allowing any new clubs – or your former club and the ones in your home state don’t see eye to eye. That’s not a COC thing – that’s a club thing.
The 1% patch says it all to me. Not all of us bikers are stupid sheeple that believe everything we read. Save the right to wear colors yes but using pictures of 1% patch bearers to promote the fight won’t help you get my support.
So, are you saying you don’t believe me, or are you just turned off by my photo?
Coward. You say you’re not a sheep but you believe what you’re told. Or you shot your mouth off and got your a** handed to you by a 1%ER. Either way be a fool, or sheep, same same.
This is America free and brave.? Then why is the topic of what you can and can not wear even being discussed?
thats just the point, the politicians feel they have the right to tell you how to run your life, whether you ride a bike or not, its starting here. when they get a foothold, they reach for more. Why else did they do what they do, there unaposed, and like sheep we let them. They live by a different standard. Last year or the year before, the pol. voted themselves a raise, from $178,000. per year to $184,000. per year, without asking or telling anyone. Thats your money, taxpayers money. Now they feel they have the right to tell people when and what they cannot wear, or what organization are legal or not. This doesnt effect 90% of the people( about patches) but sometime it or they will come after you. Then its going to bite you in the ass, and your going to wonder why no one is helping you fight this. Its all about money, i wonder if the mongols know about a guy named phil sharp in burlson tx. who is making fake mongol colors and selling them, its a money maker. The unholy dollar.
As a Veteran and a member of a 3 piece patch club (one of the largest in the world), I don’t see this as a few members causing problems for the rest of their club. Hell, a prospect for a cop club just shot another club member in the face the other day. This is about our rights to wear a logo… nothing else. You can debate all day long on how bad one club is versus another. Its the wrong debate. The debate is whether the Government has the right to dictate what we wear. And this includes everyone… not just the MCs. Stop whining about this being about the Mongols… its not. But the Mongols are doing the right thing, and standing up for the rights of all Americans… like it or not. They are working to allow all Americans to maintain the right to display a logo on their back. If nothing else, that is what you should be supporting here.
True talk right there I hate seeing so many BLEEP holes on here .
your right tom,itss no body’s business what you wear &when you can wear it period. this is America,period.
Tom Jones – If your interested in freedom of being able to wear and display the logo of your/their choice on their back, I hope you are going to your 3 piece patch club and asking them to leave everyone else alone. I am also a Veteran and belong to a few (non 1% clubs or groups) and in every single group I belong to there is a document that gives warnings about the major MC groups dictating what other groups can wear and how to act if TOLD to take off my colors. A Veterans MC club can’t safely wear a 3 piece patch for fear of being injured or at the least told to take off their colors. Please tell me what the difference is between the government dictating what I can wear as a patch and a 1% club dictating what I can wear. A dictator is a dictator. At least with the government I only face arrest and get my day in court. With the Angels or Mongols I get my ass kicked by 5 assholes on a power trip.
Jeff, if no one has ever explained the meaning of a three piece patch in the biker community, then you might want to read up on it. Being in CMA, we want to get along with all the clubs, so we wear a one piece patch. I guess all I am saying is that if you want to get along, it can be done, and if you don’t, then you can hardly be surprised when problems pop up. Just my thoughts.
RESPECT AND BALANCE YOU EARN YOUR RIGHT TO FLY ITS TRADITIONAL WAYS ALLWAYS HAS BEEN I DONT LIKE YOU ON HERE DISRESPECTING ANGELS OR THE MONGALS IF THE GOVERNMENT TAKES THE MONGALS PATCHES THEN GUESS WHAT AINT SAFE FOR YOUR PATCH EITHER 1 PERCENTER OR NOT IF THEY WIN EVERY ******* BIKE CLUB LOSES EVERY ******* ONE SO EITHER EARN YOUR RESPECT TRADITIONALY LIKE ITS ALLWAYS BEEN OR DONT RIDE CLAIMING A CLUB
so let me see if I understand the government is telling the Mongols MC what patches able to wear correct? Now lets say for a moment in theory the mongols is an outlaw motorcycle club..they dont care what laws you make..if they cared..they wouldnt be outlaws..and now lets say they are upstanding citizens..you are trying to back them against the wall as outlaws..thats your genius idea? good luck with that..lt me know how it works out..im sure once this law is pass the bikers will surely just “take their ball and good home”..bunch of morons..all this is, all it boils down to is the government ripping away the constitution and identfying its biggest threats…1st U,S, Veterans…the government is scared of them..as they should be especially after all the years of dumping on them and leaving them high ad dry…2. Police who uphold the constitution and work using morales and ethics(not the trash you see on TV tazering a 60 year old woman or gunning down a handicap man because he thought his cane was a gun)…3 Militias….4..Bikers…four biggest threats to the current adminstration as they see it..these four catagories are people who believe in freedom..and of course we cant be having any of that now can we
I think a lot of people are missing the point here. This isn’t just about the Mongols, or any other 1% mc for that matter. This is about basic freedoms we used to take for granted in this country. It seems like nowadays anytime some people don’t like something, it’s time to ban it! It’s been said, you can legislate morality.
Your correct, but it isn’t just the government that is taking away your freedoms. Try starting a veterans MC club and designing your own 3 piece patch and wearing it in a territory of the Angels or mongols without ASKING them for permission. These groups are no different than the government except they are on opposite sides of the law. They are just as power hungry and crave the almighty dollar just as much as the politicians. Except that the politicians won’t send 5 people out to kick me ass or kill me because of the patch I want to wear. When the 1% groups allow me to wear whatever set of patches on my back without being harassed then I will support their right to wear whatever they want. Right now at this time the only side that actually discriminates and dictates what I can wear is the 1% clubs. The government has never asked me to remove my patches from my vest.
Thank you all for your comments, keep them coming. Please note, that if your comment doesn’t show up right away, it is because I moderate them first. But know this, that I haven’t un-approved any comments on this post yet, it just take me a while to do my part. Thank you for your patience.
I am in Law Enforcement and do ride with a club. Granted, the Mongols don’t have the reputation of being the most law abiding group of guys, but what the Feds are trying to do is wrong. That club went through the process of legaly trade mark their logo so it’s theirs..so for the govt. to strip that trademark is wrong. What’s to stop them from taking everyone’s trade marks away? If the govt. wants them so bad then go after the one commiting crimes and stop wasting tax payers money on this petty Bullying bullshit..
someone in law enforcement that actually doesn’t have, or can look past their prejudice to know that what the government is trying to do isn’t going to end with the mongols.
vote for the wrong party or person, voice the wrong opinion, join the wrong church, the wrong militia, the moose lodge, eagles, VFW, amvets, girl & boy scouts, etc..
i am catholic but i’ve never molested anyone. should my right to believe in god be revoked, should millions catholics be disbanded and thrown in jail due to the actions of dozens of priests?
regardless of your opinion of the mongols or any other organization due to media & government hype, america needs to wake up. once the precedent is set, you may need to bail your grandmother out of jail for playing bingo.
http://www.spin.com/articles/insane-clown-posse-juggalos-gang-members-lawsuit-fbi/
well, it didnt take long for the government to make my point for me.
i dont like the insane clown posse, but if i did, i would be classified as a gang member just because im a die hard fan of their music?
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
Oh, My! They’re attacking on all fronts. Thank you for the link, it seems very applicable to the discussion.
I support our individual freedoms. Legal defense usually looks for past cases that were similar as a precedent. So let’s change the players, several Catholic priest have been convicted of raping young boys. That’s about as low as it gets. Recently Jewish Rabbi’s were convicted for money laundering. That’s as bad as the Mafia. No court has told the church leaders to stop wearing clothing that readily identifies clergy. I remember another leader named Mao that made everyone wear the same uniform, is that where we are heading? When we bust the Mafia we only charge the members where we have evidence of a crime. Of course their members don’t go around wearing a patch on their back. Lumping a group of people under a label like bikers or cops makes it easy to dehumanize the situation. When we say fathers or sons or local business owner we have a different picture. Taking a trademark away is a petty distraction that will not solve anything.
I generally agree with your analysis, but one notable difference is that MC members place great value in their patch. It is emotional value, not monetary value, but great value just the same. So, if the Feds were successful in taking away a back patch then it would have a devastating effect on the club and potentially many other clubs. It’s a little like two people being in a boxing match, and one of the parties (the feds) deciding its ok to hit below the belt.
If the Mongols MC is the dominant club in an area, and they don’t like the club your trying to start because of what ever reason, they will illegally come and take your patches away from you. And you didn’t even have to break the law to have that happen. So now, the Mongols are whining because after years of being the biggest bully in the sandbox, somebody bigger than them showed up and put them in their place? Too Bad. I will respect you and your freedom, as soon as you start respecting everybody else.
As far as bike clubs go, you as a new club, DONT have the right to start a chapter where ever you want. there are steps in doing this, Why start a new club in thier area, why not join one thats allready there. People only start new clubs because there afraid to prospect for one thats there.
As far as the real world goes, I have the right to do what I want. That is the problem with the MC’s They all talk freedom and living outside the rules, but only for them. Free is Free. Like I said, the minute I see one club actually respect anyone, man or woman outside of their club, I will respect them.
And the 99% need to stop drinking the 1% Kool Aid and group together against these thugs.
I am not a Patchholder, but I am a concerned biker. THIS case is about the Mongol’s MC, But what about the next? Where does this allow the Feds to go unchallenged again? I have been talking to folks about this for days now. But they all seem to have that “it won’t happen to me” attitude. Others state that their help won’t matter. Standing up to the Government doesn’t work. Tell that to Hobby Lobby! They took a stand that will set a precedent for others to follow. TAKE A STAND! Let your voices be heard about the injustice of pulling patches. Yours may be next.
Respects, Reb
SYLMC
If we follow this argument to its logical conclusion then every Congressman is guilty of every broken law and ethics violation committed by any Congressman, and every cop is guilty of every abuse and law broken by a fellow policeman. If that sounds like it doesn’t make sense, then punishing the entire MC for the actions of some of its members doesn’t make sense, either.
I would say, however, that if the MC in question is serious about not being associated with the actions of its members, then those members need to be expelled.
Good analogy, and I believe the guilty members are no longer allowed to wear the patch.
How many of you wear patches “approved” by your local 1% MC out of fear of getting harassed by them? We’ve had military guys in San Antonio chased by Banditos who didn’t “recognize” their Green Knights patch. If you really believe in freedom of alliliation, you don’t believe in these thugs governing what all other bikers wear. If they like their patch, they should develop and enforce rules of conduct like every other respectable organization out there.
Finally, when I’m out riding, I’m not looking out for cops…I’m looking out for 1%ers who may not like the way I look.
Big E there is protocol in the MC world,if you wish to enter my world ,you will obey the protocol set forth by the MC world,if you don’t then you are exercising your right to disrespect which by all means is an offensive action to anyone,Do you like to be disrespected? How do you act when someone disrespects you or your family? Do you cower or meet it like a man and address it?
What club are you with there silverback?
ABSOLUTELY SILVERBACK THESE PEOPLE MAKEN NEW CLUBS WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE DISRESPECT THERE ACTUALLY DOING CAUSING PROBLEMS BALANCE AND ORDER RESPECT THE RULES OR DONT WERE YOUR PATCH THAT YOU HAD NO RIGHT TO MAKE PLAN AND SIMPLE AND ILL TELL YOU WHAT CLUB IM PART OF DEMONKNIGHTS MC.. A 1 PERCENTER CLUB WHO SUPPORTS MONGALS MC NATION IN SAVEING THERE PATCH
So it’s not ok for the government to take that from you but it’s ok for other 1% motorcycle clubs like this one to tell other people (clubs) 99% that they can’t have a 3 piece patch and if you do have one they’ll send a group to make you take it off. How is that not the same?????
Because when the outlaw clubs do it, its called tradition, or protocol, or whatever sandbox bully term they want to use. When the police do it back, its called oppression. Bullies always hate when someone too big to bully moves into the area. Because then everyone sees how pathetic that bully really was. It is time for the 99% to let the 1% know that their time is over.
Wow, maybe we should elect you president, though with a name like AlbertaBiker, you are probably in Canada. Too bad, if you were elected we could shave a real police state, which I’m sure you would love.
I wouldn’t call it a police state when those that have the power to protect the powerless use that power. I heard stories of this old Hebrew carpenter that used to talk a lot about that. Standing up for the oppressed, protecting the marginalized. The thing is though, when a group of people that allowed to be free start using that freedom to hurt others and cause fear and terrorize, I have no sympathy for them when they have to reap what they sow. So when bikers stop being bikers for the love of riding and brotherhood, and start turning to crime and oppression, I have no problem with the government stomping down on them.
I ride 14000 km or more a year. I ride what I want where I want and with what I want on my vest. I fix my own ride, I ride hard, drink hard and live hard. I have never had a problem with the government or the police, because I am not a dick to everyone around me, or a thug.
There’s enough stories out there, that everyone “knows” that 1% bikers are trouble. Probably most of the stories are BS, but there is a reason that no one dares mess with a 3 piece patch wearing 1%er. Its fear, plain and simple. And that fear had to come from somewhere. When your groups look causes fear in the general masses, you are no longer a group of free citizens. You are now a terrorist group.
I don’t want a Police State, but I sure as hell don’t want a Criminal State either,
I respect your right not to like 1% clubs, I’m also sure there are a lot of variations in, lets call it “intensity”, between the different 1% clubs. Some are no doubt worse than others, and some no doubt deserve to be put in jail. And, from you final sentence, we seem to be on the same page. we don’t want a police state, we want a state that protects the individual using the laws we have, and not laws they want to make up themselves. We also don’t want a criminal state, though I would contend that not all 1% clubs are criminals, that isn’t really the question here. The question is; should law enforcement be allowed to take away a copyrighted patch design. I say no. What do you say?
Tom – Once any group crosses the line from citizen to criminal group then your free game in my opinion. If your possessions were paid for by the profits of crime and that can be proven then they are not your possessions. Law abiding people and groups should be free to do what is lawful. The big 1% MC’s, they crossed the line a long time ago. So have some of the small ones.
I have had people I know threatened for the patches they chose to wear. I have had guys come up to me in the bars and try to start fights because I what I choose to wear and what I chose to do. Most of those guys are wearing support gear to try to be intimidating. If the Deaths Head or Charlie went away, it wouldn’t make the world a worse place. A lot of those clubs aren’t flying colors too much anymore anyways because of all the negative attention. If the 1% clubs went back to being what they were supposed to be, nobody would care about what they are doing. And I am pretty sure no one in the government would be trying to seize their colors.
I guess what I am saying is, you want to act like criminals, your going to get treated like one. Biker up and don’t whine about it. You want to be a biker and live free, do that.
AMEN Alberta, live free and respect each other and we all win.
Albertabiker nere in Oklahoma the lawmakers just tried to introduce a law that prohibits people from wearing hoodies here in our state,why? Because they said most people wearing hoodies were more apt to commit crimes and had in the past. Do you or your kids,or anyone you know wear a hoodie? They do? Well then everyone you know that does is a criminal and you and them should be rounded up and treated as a threat right? Do you see the point here now?
NEVER OVER THE 1% WORLD WILL ALLWAYS BE HERE !! WAIT UNTILL ALL OF US 1 PERCENTER CLUBS COME TOGETHER AS ONE OHHHHH BY THE WAY ITS ALREADY IN THE PROCESS WHAT YA GUNNA DO WHEN HA AND OUTLAWS ARE HANGING TOGETHER ALL YOU FAKE CLUBS OUT THERE DISRESPECTING THE 1 PERCENTER RULES SET IN PLACE FOR BALANCE AND PEACE ARE THE ONES THAT WANT THE WAR WITH US WELL ALL YOU FAKE CLUBS THAT THINK WERE BULLYS WERE NOT WERE JUST TRYING TO PREVENT CLUBS FROM BEEFING …AND ITS TRUE WE ALL ARE COMING TOGATHER EVERY 1 PERCENTER CLUB NO MORE BEEF NO MORE PROBLEMS JUST US BIKERS TRYING TO LIVE IN THIS GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED WORLD
Hi Lori, that is a good question. First, we live in a country that is governed by laws. Laws that should be upheld by the police and other law enforcement personnel. Those laws include things like copyrights on logos and patches, and so they should be protected by law. And laws also exist against people (motorcycle clubs) taking away other clubs patches. I am for the laws and for their proper enforcement. This case is about law enforcement over-reach, and should make you just as angry as when you hear about one MC taking the patch from another.
Oh I’m with you on this. The government should have no right to take there patch. If they take there’s they can take any clubs patch. I just find it crazy that they fight for there rights to keep there’s but think there free to try and take a patch from a 99% club. They need to really think about this and so do all other 1% clubs because this is the way us 99% feel when they try to take our patch away from us. The freedom of all Americans not just 1% motorcycle clubs.
I agree with you Lori. The good news is that at a recent NCOM convention I personally saw half a dozen 1% clubs working together and talking about how to fight this particular issue. And THAT is an amazing side effect that I suspect the government did NOT anticipate. And finally, when it all comes down to it, the 1% clubs problem is OUR problem as concerned citizens and motorcyclists.
Ok, here is a personal response to the person that left a comment with the name “YOU”. Since you didn’t leave a real email address in your comment, I won’t approve your comment. I know that seems harsh, but I did read your comment, and though it contains some good stuff, it is just too volatile to allow on this forum. I apologize, but feel free to contact me directly for further discussion.
Ok, I have decided to publish the comment I wouldn’t approve, but with minor edits. I know that’s not fair, but I am the moderator, so at least on this blog, what I say goes. It is not my intention to change the meaning, but to lower the temperature a bit, so here goes. My changes are surrounded by **CHANGEDWORDING**, which I did in only two place.
**Comment from YOU starts here**
The Mongols MC Nation is a group of good guys with families, reputable jobs, etc. They run a tight shift (high level of personal accountability), and keep their members and those not knowledgeable in check. They also run a tight shift with other clubs. Meaning that if another club is outright disrespecting traditions, and becoming a “gang” while causing violence; giving the MC community a bad name, then they step in. The police often say “we didn’t see it so there is nothing we can do”. Realize that these MC members are the ones who step over that boundary and handle business. When a child is **HARMED** and no law enforcement can help out due to “lack of evidence”, these men will. When a new club starts without the approval of the higher club, and then goes out and causes violence, these men will handle it when the law will not.
It is a type of lifestyle in which the ways things are handled is because the sheep (everyone else) will not. These men realize that society has become a fragile, weak and timid organization as a whole…. Just take a look at our past wars. Since the media got involved, the U.S. Military has taken so much fire for handling business. They had to shake hands with the enemy, then have been shot at, in order to fire a single round back without the American Public making a case out of it. And even after that, the soldiers were investigated.
As far as the Trademark rights, they stand. If you’re going to take the Mongols Patch, then take the Trademarks of our many corrupt institutions such as Bank Of America, Chase Bank, The Government as a whole.
Some people have adopted the **REMOVED** The World attitude because of the tyrannical actions of those in which the Sheep stand up for, and the government protects.
Also to conclude my rant, understand that less than 2% of their members were engaged in illegal activites, and all of a sudden the entire club is being brought up.
What about the 8 cops running a drug ring within their department, but yet the Chief never gets indicted???????????
It’s called a ONE-WAY Law. It only applies to everyone else, except them.
P.S. MC’s are NOT gangs. Bloods and Crips are gangs. Lating Kings are gangs. Mexican Mafia, Russian Mafia, and corrupt police are gangs.
FTW.
Any MC that acts in the manner described in the above post is a gang. Again, organizations like the military and the police have strict codes of conduct and there is a general process for removing members who violate them.
The whole copyright issue is misleading as well. The Mongols can wear their patch if they want and I doubt anybody will do anything about it. I really don’t think the government’s intention is to take away the copyright and then start prosecuting them for wearing knock-off apparel. And, no non-Mongol dumb enough to wear a Mongol patch is going to be swayed by a copyright law either. The copyright is going to stop the Mongols’ profiting off their outlaw image. When a game like Grand Theft Auto uses the logo, the Mongols profit off it. The only reason the Mongols can profit off the patch is because everyone believes they are a bunch of ruthless thugs. With no copyright enforcement, they get no kickback.
hey big E.
how do you know the mongols made anything off the use of their “logo” on grand theft auto? maybe they did, maybe they just got their “logo” on a video game and thought it was cool.
after all, weather or not they have a copy right or trademark on their “logo” wouldnt make any difference, would it?
according to you, “the only reason the mongols can profit off the patch is because everyone believes they are a bunch of ruthless thugs”. so a copyright, or lack there of, is for all intents & purposes a moot point, isnt it?
Chicago,
You’re right, I don’t know if Rockstar Video Games paid royalties to the Mongols or not. Maybe the Mongols thought “it was cool” to be portrayed as gun runners and drug dealers. But the trademark does make a difference. They can sue anybody who uses their logo. The whole intent of the trademark is to protect the trading of the product. In the Mongol’s case, the product is the outlaw biker image. Nobody buys the “I support my local 1%er MC” because of a toy drive. They buy into the image. The trademark ensures the Mongols can sue whomever tries to profit off their image without there consent.
Being the “thugs” that you and many others think that they are would make a lawsuit quite frivolous wouldn’t it? Why would any self-respecting criminal waste a bunch of money on a lawyer and take his argument to the court when they could just go over there and intimidate someone into paying them what they want.
Now I’m not a gamer and I don’t play video games but it’s my understanding that if a kid is playing the game they are able to rape, Rob, murder, steal cars etc.
Now I know this is gonna be a stretch, but I would venture to say that any kid playing the videogame is no more of a rapist, murder or car thief in real life then he is while he is portraying himself that way while playing the game. Joe Pesci, Robert De Niro, and Ray Liotta played robbing murdering street thugs in Goodfellas. I could be wrong, but for some silly reason I don’t really think that’s the way they are in real life just because they were portrayed that way in a film. No more than I think that just because some mongols are arrested for crimes does that make every Mongol a criminal. If your brother goes and robs a bank that does not make your whole family bank robbers.
Chicago,
We can sit here all day and come up with these analogies. I’m a First Sergeant in the Air Force. When one of our members robs or rapes, we make an example out of them and kick them out. Here’s another analogy since you like them so much. Let’s say you’re in a bridge club that meets every Sunday. Every couple of weeks one of your members gets imprisoned for selling drugs. When they get out of prison, you give them a big hug and invite them back out for the weekly games. You don’t think your bridge club is going to attract some heat? Now, let’s say your bridge club is territorial and goes around picking on all the other bridge players in the neighborhood. First, why would any respectable citizen want to join such a bridge club? Second, why should I give a damn about a bunch of bullies? These types of clubs are inherently selfish. They care about themselves and their own freedom to do as they please, with little regard for others’ freedom.
Frankly, with all the things going on in this world, it’s a shame that a cause like this is even attracting attention.
Big E, You are still missing the point. Using your own analogy, what if you have a couple of bridge club members that get convicted of a crime, and the government says your bridge club can’t exist any longer because some of your members are proven criminals. We all know bridge clubs aren’t criminal organizations, but if this case is allowed to pass, then the government can say to every club out there, watch out because any criminal activity by any member makes you all guilty by association. Is that a world you want to live in? I don’t !
Tom,
You’ve been mislead. The Mongols want you to believe they’re all a bunch of great guys whose image was marred by a “couple” bad apples. Their national president testified in court that they were a murderous criminal organization (http://mongolsmc.com/sub/outbad)! That average, seemingly civic-minded Americans try to relate to these guys and rationalize their behavior only attests to the civic decline in America. A democracy is a delicate balance between individual freedoms and the common good. The Mongols try to bypass the greater society in their pursuit of personal freedom. The world would be a better place without them.
Here’s a question. If I get confronted by a Mongol who directs me to remove my Green Knights Military Motorcycle Club cut, what should I do? Should I simply refuse and walk away? If he threatens me, should I retaliate physically or should I call the police? If I successfully defend myself, is it reasonable for me to expect a visit from more Mongols later?
A free society requires sacrifice from all citizens. One such sacrifice may be giving up the “right” to ride around being an intimidating ass hat to your fellow citizens. The threat to our riding culture doesn’t come from the government, it comes from these 1% MC clubs. If we really care about “the patch”, we would take control of our local MC councils, adopt a code of conduct, and condemn MCs that don’t abide. I’m sure the Mongols would simply abide by the council’s decision like the rest us do.
All these 1%ER haters want a complete free for all. They could care less about History, The Motorcycle Club Community, what everyone else has had to do to earn their Colors. They are single minded, short sighted, self indulgent cry babies. I know what it’s like to try to manage all these little Mom and Pop start ups. I know who 90% of the people are who want their own Club. You’ll never get them to look beyond their own petty little self interest to see the bigger picture and the reasons why things are done the way they are. You either get this issue, or you don’t. If you don’t take your whinny little small minded self and shut up.
The big picture is best stated this wat . . .
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.
If you don’t get it fine, I understand, go away, shut up and quit hating on people because in your heart and soul you know you could never be the kind of Man it takes to be what you’re not.
I agree with Tom Jones. And I believe in this struggle. I am the founder of a club. A small independent club in Oklahoma. The debate is simply, does the government have the right to remove patches from an individual, or a group of individuals. It doesn’t matter who that group is, but once the government does remove one patch, they will remove them all. This would not be limited to just bikers, or motorcycle clubs, or 1%ers. This would encompass civic organizations, say for instance, the Lion’s Club, or Kiwanis Club, or Rotary Clubs, and what about school organizations, say for instance, FFA students, and football teams. This would make it illegal to wear a high school letter jacket, because that identifies you with a “territory” or a town, or a system. The matter at hand is free speech, and free expression, nothing else and that equates to FREEDOM. So, the bottom line is your FREEDOM is at risk. Support the cause. Oh, and by the way, I am a LEO.
Thank you C. Coffey, you get it. Ride Safe, Ride Free!
Sorry, but anyone who truly believes that the government wants to win this case so that they can take away the FFA or VFW or Rotary is a complete friggin nutjob and should go back to their cave and put on their tin foil hat. I’ve still not heard any competent answer to all of the posts that ask why we should be worried about the government when the 1% clubs have been doing this EXACT same this for years. The 1%ers are no different than our federal government except that they can’t be voted out of office and if you tell them you don’t want to follow their rules they send out a goon squad to give you an attitude adjustment. There is an old saying that to get respect you have to give respect. When the 1%ers give me the respect to wear what I want without fear of harassment then I will give them the respect to wear what they want.
In Australia they have enacted a law that prohibits wearing “colors/patches” It could happen in the US.! They are taking away our Freedom a little at a time, and telling us it is to “keep us safe” If we give up our Freedom for Safety We will be neither Free or Safe.Although I do wear a back patch I am not a 1%er. I do support anyone’s right to wear whatever patch they choose, Live and Let Live. I don’t feel threatened by a 1%er’s back patch I leave them alone and they don’t pay any attention to me. We do not need the Government to get involved, nothing good can come of it! IMHO
Amen. I to wear a back patch and believe the same as you. I would like to say tho that even if you take a way the patch your not going to change the person. If he was bad with the patch he will be bad without it if he was good with he will be good without. Taking away the right to wear the patch is not going to change the brother hood of the club .So it just plain stupid to take it a way. IF someone is going to break the law they will do it no matter what taking a patch of your back want stop people are dumb to think it will.
Big E-
I am active duty as well, and I am a former member of an MC. I stand behind the Mongols and the other clubs 100%. Why? Because I swore an oath- “to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” It doesn’t matter that the government is the one doing it, It’s WRONG.
If you have heartache with the 1% world, that is a separate issue- this is about a BASIC FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT.
“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” Ben Franklin
AMEN Brother !!
Funny thing is as a Veteran myself and someone who spends a lot of time reading the Constitution, I have never found anything in there that says anything about a right to a trademark. If your talking about Freedom of speech then you would be against both the Government and the 1%ers because both groups violate the 1st amendment. But up to this point the only ones to actually violate the 1st amendment concerning the wearing of a back patch on a motorcycle vest has been the 1% MC clubs. Do me a favor and go into Oakland California and start a veterans or active military MC and design a 3 piece patch and have all your members ride around the bay area with their colors and see how much freedom of speech you and your members get from the 1%er clubs. I can guarantee you that no cop will pull you over simply because you are wearing a patch, but the prospects and hangers on and full patch members of the 1% clubs will FORCE you to take off your colors and never wear them again. And if you do wear them they will not arrest you and let you fight your cause in court. They will kick the shit out of you. So much for 1%ers loving the constitution. And please try and read the constitution and understand what the ammendments actually say and what they mean.
The first ammendment is to protect you from the government. It has nothing to do with personal actions, revardless of the courts decisions.
Here is my take on this, my organization has been working with the CoC in my state and the Mongols, along with Banditos and several other 1% and support MCs. These guys are not evil, nor vile men, Instead they seem to be upstanding citizens with jobs and families. I feel that in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM should the federal government be allowed to tell me what I can or cannot wear, nor should one group tell another what they can do. That being said,some things you have to earn and being military if I see some jackwagon wearing my uniform and acting like he is a soldier, I’m not gonna let him walk. III%
It is too bad that people will label a Motorcycle club a gang, but then get upset when people say that all cops are criminals and thugs. If you google, turn on the TV or just go to a Yahoo page you are going to see some news story concerning a cop, or a DEA, or ATF, possibly a Judge or some other person of Law doing something illegal, from inappropriate sexual contact, to assault and battery on the people that they sworn to protect. Go ahead, look it up….I will wait.
So if your concept of a Motorcycle club is a gang because a couple of its people make that mistake to commit a crime, then any of the above mentioned people would constitute that all the above mentioned occupations should fall into the same criminal classification. So when I see the news and some cop killed his two kids and dogs and shot himself, that is what ALL COPS do when they retire. When I look at the news and a sheriff is charge with sexual misconduct with his daughter in law, then all sheriff’s fall into that category. This same sheriff was taking pictures of our wives and girlfriends, and calling us thugs, and being disrespectful. Karma has a sense of irony.
The Mongols is a brotherhood of men that have served in the Military,and hold jobs to support their families. We have people in every walks of life….EXCEPT….law enforcement and legal areas.
The concept is stop watching TV shows and listening to people talking about 1970’s and 80’s. Those Ideologies and concepts have long passed aside. We are, and will be cordial with any person, club or entity that shows the same respect. We are not going to look for issues, but we definitely are not going to back down from any issues, but that is nothing different then any other man that does not wear a patch.
We are standing up for EVERYONE’S rights to wear a patch. They would have us give up our rights and freedoms to live in country where they can decide what we can and can not do. But I always say. What freedoms are you going to want to take after. If you do not have any more SO CALLED outlaws…..why do we need policing? What excuse are you going to come up with next time? Think about it people. This ain’t about our rights to wear a patch. It is about controlling…..WHO…..is going to wear what patch and what your going to need to do, and the way you are going to live in order for you to wear that patch. It is just control.
Do not let it happen. Support the Patch
Back Patches are earnt by members of MC.
Nobody else has earnt the respect to wear back patches.
How will we be able to distinguish between the greasers and the soc’s?
A lot of the comments here went off-track from the original poster’s question: What do you think about the government taking away someone’s trademark? I for one think we should be outraged at the attempt. Regardless of what you think of the organization in question, your concern should be “will they come after me next?”. And the answer is probably yes.
From a perspective of law, this question is interesting. From what I understand, they didn’t pursue RICO against the Mongols. If they had, would that make your answer different? For me, the answer would still be outrage. Even if the government were able to prove RICO, meaning that they could tie the top leaders to knowing/approving of criminal acts, we are still back to representation of the entire Mongol organization and each individuals participation. Fortunately for the mafia, those guys didn’t have “brands” that they wore or this might have been solved years ago.
In short, for me the answer is no, the govt doesn’t have this right. Especially when you apply the treatment to other organizations, such as Banks, or Microsoft, or the Catholic church. THE PRECEDENT MUST NOT BE SET. if so, we are only a few years away from Michelle Obama’s fat agenda and then revoking the Girl Scouts and their Thin Mint cookies.
However, I would like to address some of the comments regarding the COC’s treatment of non-sanctioned clubs. I am a co-founder of a club, and based on our libertarian philosophy we struggled with the idea of seeking permission from the COC. We ultimately decided to not buck tradition and after approaching the COC, they declined our request. So we politely informed the chairman that we were forming anyways and they should reread the material we provided them. It’s a problem and one we chose to take on.
No man, government, or organization has the right to dictate my choices – so long as my choices don’t infringe upon his rights. So with that said, all of you puppets and lap dogs to the COC need to get out and stand up for yourselves.
it’s funny how certain clubs will give me crap for wearing my patches, but then come begging to save their right to wear a patch………………it fits for ALL or it Fits for NONE, the 1% clubs want respect, then how bout they give some back to the HOG chapters, or the AMA clubs, or the Independant clubs, etc etc in the End we are ALL in this together the fight against government, but when you tell me i can’t wear my patch, it’s like cutting off your own toes, cause instead of me standing beside you fighting to keep your patch, i’ve already walked away
You can walk away, but when you do, understand that your next. They just need to figure out a way to get you off that motorcycle because you want to look at us and say we are the bad guys. There is always a way to wear, and put on a patch. There is a history and a protocol to wearing colors, ALWAYS has been. So maybe if someone told you to take off a patch it was because you broke that tradition, or broke that protocol. I have been on Every coast, and I am an editor for a learning group. There is ways to be seen, you can not just show up one day with a state bottom rocker without knowledge of what it means. I can say…if your just a regular Harley HOG rider….there ain’t many clubs that are going to say anything to you because you are not a concern. Your a weekend rider. So unless you have some really ignorant people in your area that have no knowledge on protocol, I find it hard to believe that anone is going to worry about a HOG rider.
YA KNOW I SEE THESE PEOPLE SAYING WHY SHOULD I STAND WITH THE 1%ERS BECOUSE YOUR UPSET YOU CANT FLY IN CERTAIN AREAS ITS ABOUT BALANCE AND CONTROL NO ONE GIVES A **** IF YOU WERE YOUR PATCH TRUST ME I DEFINITELY ******* KNOW BUT IF YOU WERE TOLD TO TAKE YOUR PATCH OFF BY A CLUB THATS BEEN AROUND OR CLAIMS TERRITORY JUST DO IT THATS HOW U GET RESPECT TALK TO THE CLUBS IN YOUR AREA COMMUNICATION IS EVERYTHING AND BY THE WAY THE 1 PERCENTER WORLD IS COMING TOGATHER I KNOW ALOT OF BIG CLUBS GREAT GUYS IF YOU WANT RESPECT TO WEAR YOUR COLORS EARN IT LIKE THE ******* REST OF US IF YOU DONT STAND AND FIGHT FOR BIKERS RIGHTS THAN YOU SHOULD NOT CLAIM A CLUB OR EVEN RIDE WITH ANYONE WEATHER YOU LIKE US OR NOT I KNOW FOR A FUCKING FACT THAT WE WHOULD STAND FOR YOUR CLUB IF IT WAS YALL THATS WHAT WERE SUPPOSED TO DO SUPPORT EACHOTHER 1 PERCENTER BIKE CLUBS ARE AMAZING NOT BAD!!!!! EARN YOUR SPOT IN THE TRADITIONAL WAY OR DONT CALL YOURSELF A BIKER !!! AND IF YOUR WONDERING WHOS TELLING YOU THIS.. DKMC NEW YORK NORTH CAROLINA AND NEW MEXICO WE SUPPORT THE MONGALS MC NATION
I read this article and see how some people are saying take their vest because their a criminal organization. If fact you dont know that for sure, your simply lumping them together and by doing so punishing the innocent people. Lets use your example shale we. I am a U.S. Army Iraq War Vet, I served my country. After I came home I worked for Chrysler Automotive for about 12yrs, I started my own Property Preservation Company with contracts with Bank of America and Chase Bank. While out riding my motorcycle a lady texting ran a red light hitting me at 50mph. I was left for dead. I was able to give my mothers cell number before i slipped into a coma. I woke up 2 weeks later, my face was broke in half. I have 4 steal plates holding it together. Im now blind in my right eye, my face looks like it has a giant 7 carved in it. My pelvis was shattered so i had to get a plate to hold it together and two steal rods down both legs. They had to remove some of my guts to cut the glass out. I was told id probably never walk again. I spent almost a year in a wheelchair learning to walk again. At 31yrs old i was forced into early retirement. I have a 9yr old daughter that i cant lift without being in alot of pain. All because a stupid lady was texting and driving. Some going by your choice why not just lump all female drivers together? I was hit and left for dead. So does that mean I have the right to hit and leave every female driver for dead if they make a mistake? I mean its only fair since a lady did it to me right. I kbow its a vit extreme of a example, but this did happen. Weather their are good people that doesnt deserve things like this, when tou lump them together it hurts/punishes the good along with the bad. So think about it, perhaps the government and those of you that agree with them are taking it a little to far. After all isn’t this country’s values based on freedom?
Also, sorry for the typos Im not stupid, I can read and I do know proper grammar. Im partially blind so please dont try to correct my typos. Its just plan rude, i dont walk behind a slow disabled person and rush them. So be considerate and dont do it to me. I can do without the reminders you jerk. So stop try to get on my nerves.
Johnny, thank you for this clear analogy. It is so easy for some of us to lump every one that is part of a particular group together and assume they they are all guilty if one, a few, or even many of that group are guilty. Justice though, should be about the actions of individuals, not about association with a group. As a fellow biker, (or motorcyclist if you prefer), I don’t want people to assume I am a criminal because I wear colors, and the actions of a few shouldn’t keep me from wearing them.
Thank you for your service, and I pray God will heal you completely.
Please give you daughter a hug for me, and tell her that I said she has a very special father.
First, understand that the following comments are mine and mine alone. They do not reflect the opinion of any group I may be affiliated with but as a Veteran and citizen of these here United States have earned the right to say. With that said I have got to say that I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand I take serious issue with “OUR” government telling anyone what they can and can’t wear but on the other hand I have a little trouble coming to the aid of groups that tell me and my brothers and sisters where and when we can fly our own patch. My group is not an MC and happens to be a registered 501C3 so I’m not really seeing any threat to us so could someone from an MC please tell me why I should help rally folks to help protect the very rights that many of your MC’s deny us on a daily bases? You see, respect is a funny thing. It runs both ways and unfortunately many MC’s have their own unique definition of it.
NATIONAL PRESIDENT OF DKMC ..EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE PISSED ABOUT THE RULES IN THE MC WORLD THATS HOW IT IS MAN BALANCE AND ORDER IF YOU WANT THE RIGHT TO FLY LIKE US THEN YOU HAVE TO EARN THAT RESPECT EVERY CLUB HAS DONE IT FOR A LONG TIME AND YOU WILL GET RESPECT IF YOU TALK TO THE RIGHT CLUBS IN YOUR AREA I THINK YOU SHOULD SUPPORT SAVE THE PATCH BECOUSE YOU ARE CALLING YOURSELF PART OF CLUB WHAT IF IT WAS YOUR CLUB THEY WERD DOING THIS TO THINK OF IT THAT WAY YOU WANT THE RIGHT TO FLY EARN IT TRADITIONAL MC VALUES
I say leave the clubs alone. Just because some one did something wrong doesn’t mean all of them are guilty. Leave the patch where it is on the backs of those who earned them.
Club or not , they don’t need to mess with their logo or patch ! What’s next EVERY BODY’S PATCH ????
YEAH THERE COMING AFTER EVERYONES PATCHES NOT JUST THE MONGALS MC NATION
If they can take one patch they will soon try and take all patches. They (the government) want to emulate what is happening in Australia. Where they have made it illegal to even be a biker and if caught in a group you are arrested. They don’t like us because we can band together and get things done such as the million bike run.
I HOPE THE MONGALS WIN …. I DONT KNOW WHO SEES THESE COMMENTS BUT IF YOU BELONG TO THE 1% MC WORLD STAND UP WITH THE MONGALS AND LETS WIN THIS ,.THE GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO TEAR THE MC WORLD AWAY PLEASE SUPPORT THE MONGALS IN THIS FIGHT IF THE GOVERNMENT WINS THEN THEY WILL COME AFTER EVERY CLUB .NOT ALL BIKERS/ 1 PERCENTERS ARE BAD SAVE THE PATCH. SAVE THE PATCHES EVERYWHERE …MONGALS MC NATION WE ARE WITH YOU IN THIS ..AND LATELY IVE SEEN ALOT OF CLUBS COMING TOGATHER IN GREAT WAYS .PLEASE STAND UP WITH THESE MEN TO SAVE THE PATCH. YOU HAVE SUPPORT FROM MY CLUB WE ARE WITH YOU ALL THE WAY MONGALS MC